The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. Keith Morrison reports. Understood? (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Dear Zachary recently won the Audience Award at the Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival in Birmingham, Alabama! Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? "We had to do something.. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. Check your local listings for channel info. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' Cpl. Is it OK? I was just gone. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. That one comes back a lot. You were done. He said, `The psychotic bitch. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. But their efforts to. I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. They are simply good people. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. Dear Zachary was the most honored film at Cinequest 18 in San Jose, receiving sustained standing ovations from packed houses at all 3 screenings and winning 2 awards - a Special Jury Award for Documentary Feature and the Audience Award. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Blood red screen. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Tessa Bagby - Producer, 1st Assistant Director - LinkedIn The news and opinions youll love for only $10 for 1 year. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' And in that time, the Canadian justice system does nothing. First their son was murdered in Pennsylvania, then their grandson in A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. We're churning. David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. the water. Cpl. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? August 5, 2008: Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Curated newsletters for curious minds. March 18, 2008: Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. Turner killed herself and Zachary before she could be tried for murder. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. Office Manager. A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. Dear Zachary is now available on DVD! MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. decision. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Wow." Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." At least he might have asleep when she went in. He was such a good baby. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson - SaltWire Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. This is what that fucking bitch didnt know, David Bagby fumes towards the end of Dear Zachary. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David. It then played SXSW in Austin, Texas, where it left audiences stunned and in tears. Cpl. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. You know when you see pictures of some of your friends and then pictures of their parents as kids and they look identical? Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Which is to say, the woman who killed Dr. Andrew Bagby is pregnant with Dr. Andrew Bagbys baby. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. (It was announced, in 2014, that the documentary would be made into a miniseries. He was like, `Eh, mm.' A True-Crime Story That Puts the Victims First | The New Yorker MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. he was fussy at all. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." His father says, I kissed him and held him. Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. I didn't have. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. If. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. And I said, `Who?' MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. Oh my god. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. January 15, 2008: Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. Shirley. Imagine it. All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. David Bagby - IMDb Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . But something kept me going, and. David was a . MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. Then, suddenly, tears. Kuennes fast-talking exposition, while confusing, seems purposeful, as though the murder were a necessary backstory to be pushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to the heart of the narrative: Andrew Bagbys life and how horrible his death was for those who loved him. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson, California You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. Shirley. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition DigiPak: Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. (Talking in group) This is not about money. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. They also went to Ottawa to push the case for Bill C-464, which had been introduced by then Liberal MP Scott Andrews, at a committee hearing. Please check back for updates as the bill makes its way through the Senate in the coming weeks -- and if you are a Canadian Citizen, please write your Senator to voice your support of C-464 during this crucial time. And we, would have agreed to anything. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. David Bagby. Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. You can, just--there's nothing. She would never go away. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. Add a bio, trivia, and more. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. Slamdance Film Festival book signing! An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. . The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. It opens with a gushing montage of the friends of a doctor named Andrew Bagby, none of whom have one real bad word about him. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Blu-ray: This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. I had a job I loved. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. Very, very serious. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father - Wikipedia Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. I couldn't see the point anymore. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . We'll keep this website updated as to their progress when there is news. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. But of course I didn't. In the end, she died, but love did not. I mean, she. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. She. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Subscribe here. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. Andrew was found dead Nov. 5, 2001 in a state park just outside Latrobe, PA, where he was a resident in the local hospitals family medicine programme. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as . | Learn more about Tessa Bagby's work experience, education . Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner.
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